The Elephant in the Org
The "Elephant in the Org" podcast is a daring dive into the unspoken challenges and opportunities in organizational development, particularly in the realm of employee experience. Hosted by the team at The Fearless PX, we tackle the "elephants" in the room—those taboo or ignored topics—that are critical for creating psychologically safe and highly effective workplaces.
The Elephant in the Org
The Fakecation Crisis: Why We Suck at Taking Time Off
Ever come back from a vacation feeling like you need… another vacation? Welcome to the Fakecation Crisis—where we take time off but somehow end up just as exhausted (or more) than before.
In this episode, Marion, Cacha, and Danny rank different types of time off based on how rejuvenating (or soul-sucking) they actually are. From all-inclusive beach lounging to visiting family (a.k.a. free labor disguised as a trip), we’re breaking down why so many of us are bad at unplugging—and how to actually take a break that works.
We discuss:
✅ The most rejuvenating vs. most draining types of time off
✅ Why your PTO shouldn’t involve a group chat, guilt, or a to-do list
✅ The surprising psychology behind why we self-sabotage rest
✅ How to stop treating vacations like productivity sprints
Whether you’re planning a getaway or just fantasizing about one, this episode is your permission slip to actually rest.
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Music Credits:
Opening and closing theme by The Toros.
Production Credits:
Produced by The Fearless PX, Edited by Marion Anderson.
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S2 EP13 Transcript
The Fakecation Crisis: Why We Suck at Taking Time Off
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Danny Gluch: Welcome back to the elephant in the org, everyone. I'm Danny Glutch, and I'm joined by my co-host Kashidora.
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Cacha Dora: Hello!
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Danny Gluch: And Marian Anderson.
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Marion: Hi hi hi hi.
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Danny Gluch: Let's be honest. The elephant in the world right now is that the world feels heavy.
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Danny Gluch: We actually tried to talk about layoffs and politics. We were hoping to have a conversation that would be impactful and help people move forward. We recorded a whole episode, and after reflecting on it and having a lot of talks, we decided not to release it.
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Danny Gluch: One of the ways we hope that our listeners and us can can move forward is by showing up for one another. And to do that we need to find the joy
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Danny Gluch: we need to find energy and rejuvenation when energy is low. So what we decided to do is record another episode today, where we're embracing the joy and the laughter and the humor that is still always present in life.
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Danny Gluch: So what we're gonna do is rank different kinds of vacations and hopefully inspire some people to take some vacations and have some laughs along the way.
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Marion: Yeah.
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Marion: I mean, okay, America. Let me. Let's let me explain to you what vacations are right and cause I know that.
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Cacha Dora: What are those?
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Marion: You're like. Wait! What? What would that be? And it's it's, you know. It's more than
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Marion: one day, and it's more than you know.
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Cacha Dora: Long weekend.
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Marion: 5 days. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's and it's not like putting on your out of office. Hey? I'm currently on Pto. But you can call me on this number. No, let us Europeans teach you how to do vacation properly, my friends.
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Danny Gluch: I hope to learn.
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Cacha Dora: We're working on it. We're working on it.
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Marion: I'm just feeling giddy because I'm going on vacation on Tuesday, so I'm just like, Woohoo.
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Cacha Dora: Yup.
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Cacha Dora: I took a long break, too, right before we recorded this so, and by long break I mean, like a good like 5 to 7 days out of, you know, just being out with with my hubby, and it was
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Cacha Dora: so well needed. And it's just so nice to reset yourself, and you forget sometimes how long it's been since you've reset. And then when you do, you're like, why am I not doing this.
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Marion: Right, because because we like to punish ourselves, don't we? We like to berate ourselves and punish ourselves, and think that the world will stop if we take time off. But guess what? It doesn't.
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Cacha Dora: It doesn't. Well, I think we forget. I think it as bad as it sounds.
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Cacha Dora: We forget that. That's there.
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Marion: Hmm.
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Cacha Dora: You get so caught up in every day.
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Cacha Dora: I've got my master's program, and I've got work, and I've got my like stuff going on with life and friends and family, and like, you know, it all adds up. And then suddenly, you're like.
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Cacha Dora: How is it? Friday? I was supposed to make that phone call? I never. I never called about this. And then it's like, 6 days later. And you're like, I still never made that phone call. And then it's like, 2 weeks later, I never made that phone call. And it just like, and you just blink, and you're like, How am IA spectator?
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Danny Gluch: Is there a phone call? You should pause and go. Make right now.
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Marion: I have so many.
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Cacha Dora: Need to post recording. I have so many doctors.
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Cacha Dora: Appointments don't even get me started. My husband will come at me for it. It's fine.
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Marion: Yeah. But but yeah, but you're not wrong. And like we do.
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Marion: we do offset our own needs and put everyone else's needs before us, particularly people that work in our professions right?
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Marion: Hr, l and D. Od. All of that, you know. We're notorious for it. And
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Marion: you know something that I've learned through a shit ton of therapy. Is that
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Marion: those who have grown up as a parentified child
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Marion: often end up in careers like human resources or clinical psychology, because we become very conditioned from a young age to be looking out for risks and things that could happen, and anticipating the needs of others before they know what they need themselves. And
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Marion: Jesus, what like that just burns us right out right.
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Marion: So not only we burn out by just our own conditioning from how we grew up, but then.
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Marion: going back to what Danny said at the beginning, like the world around us right now, is wild, wild.
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Marion: and so yes, we have to be able to find
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Marion: joy in ourselves, to be able to lift ourselves up, to then be able to help lift
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Marion: all of us to help each other up.
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Marion: And we have to bounce back. We have to. It's gonna be a very long 4 years if we can't get our shit together. So it's time to get our shit together. People.
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Cacha Dora: Spend your time laughing. For God's sake.
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Danny Gluch: Enjoy the little things exactly.
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Danny Gluch: People with an empty cup. You got to fill your cup if.
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Marion: Go out and help you.
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Danny Gluch: So that's that's what we're here to talk about. And we've got a fun way to do it. So we're going to talk about different kinds of either weekends or vacations trips, and we're going to rank them
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Danny Gluch: from one peak rejuvenation you were you rejuvenated before then? You were not juvenated. You took your trip and you were rejuvenated, you you got your juvenation back.
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Danny Gluch: That's how English works right.
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Cacha Dora: Sounds like Stella's got her groove back.
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Danny Gluch: Everyone should watch that movie class.
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Cacha Dora: Okay.
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Danny Gluch: So that's top tier rank, one peak, rejuvenation, second tier, moderate recharge, you're like, oh, I didn't fully plug in the phone last night it was, it was better than nothing. But it's not really gonna do it.
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Danny Gluch: And then the 3rd tier, the fakecation where you may as well just have stayed at work. You're not getting rejuvenated by doing that.
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Marion: okay, let's, go.
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Danny Gluch: You ready?
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Marion: Yeah.
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Danny Gluch: All right, because Marion has this coming up the Snowbird week, where you're escaping the cold going somewhere warm
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Danny Gluch: for the week. It's it's all the people from Canada coming to Arizona or Palm Springs, the Snowbird week.
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Danny Gluch: What do we think?
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Marion: Well, having previously lived in a Snowbird hangout living in Palm Springs. I was always very jealous of these people coming to switch off, and I'd be like, oh, I still have work to do. However, when I lived there I did feel pretty well rested. I have to say there's something about living in an environment where other people are chilling out. It does help you feel a bit more chill, you know, when you're driving through, and you're looking up, and there's mountains, and it's gorgeous and and all that stuff. So
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Marion: yes, I think that can be well, it depends right again. A lot the Snowbirds, when they come to places
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Marion: like Palm Springs for the winter.
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Marion: They're just conducting the same life that they had
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Marion: in Canada just in a slightly warmer, surrounding, you know.
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Danny Gluch: But you don't have to shovel snow like that alone seems like rejuvenate.
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Marion: True. No, that's that's that's fair, that's fair. But you don't.
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Cacha Dora: As always, I feel like it. It's what what did you go to Palm Springs for? Is your goal for Palm Springs going and like chilling at the pool with drinks in hand. Because if that, if that's the goal, then like, I feel like the juvenation, Danny, to your point would be high, but like if, in my opinion, because this is not my ideal of a vacation like if my ideal was like
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Cacha Dora: sweating the whole time on really intense, like hikes or things like that, where I feel like I didn't rest where I was so active I didn't rest then. I would feel like.
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Cacha Dora: But that's not my idea of a vacation, because I like rest.
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Marion: Yeah, I so like again, I think it it. There's so many nuances to that. I don't know.
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Cacha Dora: But.
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Marion: To Kash's Point if it's lying by a pool for a few days and just chilling out like I intend to do next week. Yes, great, fabulous! But I think beyond that it starts to. I don't know. I get a bit bored. I get a bit twitchy, so.
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Cacha Dora: There's like a study. I was talking with my husband about it recently, where there's actually like a study on how long of a vacation before people are like, I'm done.
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Marion: And he.
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Cacha Dora: They're like 12 to 14 days. It's something like that like you. There is a Max point
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Cacha Dora: where people quite literally are like, I am done. This is I I want what's comfort. I want my bed, I want my neighborhood, I want my space, I want my, my, this or my that. But there's an actual like window of time where it goes from vacation to sour.
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Marion: Completely. I agree with that. I think there comes a point where you're like, I want my own bed. I want, you know I want to do.
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Danny Gluch: I don't know.
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Cacha Dora: Won't do. Laundry.
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Danny Gluch: I feel.
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Marion: Clean Knickers.
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Danny Gluch: I feel like if that number changes.
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Danny Gluch: If the house you're going home to is covered in 6 feet of snow. Just gonna say it that that seems
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Danny Gluch: I would stay on vacation.
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Marion: Having never lived in a snowy environment a day in my life, I wouldn't know. Danny. Yeah.
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Danny Gluch: That's fair.
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Danny Gluch: I'm just going on, you know, living vicariously through my brother in Rhode Island, who is constantly covered in snow.
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Marion: Oh, that's that's fair!
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Danny Gluch: Marion, you've seen a lot of the white stuff.
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Marion: Not cocaine.
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Marion: Well, I was about to say he means snow and not coke. Let's just be clear listeners. It's not the nineties. Yeah, no, we had a lot of snow here this winter. It's been pretty wild, actually. And and I
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Marion: I've enjoyed it to set to an extent
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Marion: I've realized, after not living in a cold country for more than a decade, that Ehlers, Danlos, and Snow are not a good combination, and, in fact, I spent most of the winter at home.
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Marion: Like an invalid can't get anywhere unless my boyfriend comes and picks me up in his 4 by 4. So it's been. Yeah, it's been a sharp reminder of yeah cold. And ehlers, dan loss are not a good combo, but it's been. It has been nice those days when you are at home, and you've got the fire on and bottle of red wine open, and you're watching Snow come down. Oh, it's lovely! But
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Marion: that wears off pretty damn quick.
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Danny Gluch: It does sound lovely for a day.
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Cacha Dora: You get the picturesque moment, and then you're like, I'm done.
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Cacha Dora: yeah, or or, in my case, shoveling snow down my boyfriend's pants. That was pretty funny, but he didn't think so.
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Cacha Dora: Think anyone else would have, though.
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Danny Gluch: Hold on.
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Danny Gluch: Alright, alright! So I think we're somewhere between a 1 and a 2 there pretty, pretty, rejuvenating.
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Cacha Dora: Next one.
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Danny Gluch: 2 week long, long flight, though international vacation.
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Marion: Well like. But what type of vacation that doesn't tell me anything long. Haul to do what.
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Cacha Dora: Are we? Are we going to like a very long haul? And then I get to spend my my whole time in Tahiti.
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Cacha Dora: Am I backpacking through Europe like.
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Danny Gluch: Where? Where would you go on? A 2 week vacation? That would be like more than an 8 h flight.
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Marion: More.
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Cacha Dora: Anywhere out of and out of lax. Most places are. Gonna be an 8 h flight
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Cacha Dora: 6 h, just for Florida. For me, I would honestly say that the long flight is worth it
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Cacha Dora: for the 2 week moment that I'm having cause. It's a booking.
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Marion: 2 weeks. No, you won't let me argue there 2 weeks to do a very long flight, and only in 2 weeks, because
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Marion: those days you're you're losing with traveling right? Because it, you know you get there and you get there at a weird hour. And then you're jet lagged, and then you're trying to catch up with sleep. So you lose. So in fact, I think if you're going to do really long haul, it should be a 3 week. It should be a 3 week trip.
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Marion: I believe.
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Marion: I think it's valuable.
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Cacha Dora: I've always been able, at least on those long calls for me, at least, how my body works, because I get so amped. I don't normally sleep the night before, so my body tends to reset itself upon arrival, because I've been like running out of sleep, even though that's never my plan. It's just my body's sick way of handling things.
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Danny Gluch: Sell it. That's what you should do.
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Cacha Dora: And then on the flip side on the way home. All my jet lag when I get home is atrocious, because that's when I struggle is on the way back, but, like for me, honestly, I don't know when I've the last time I had a 2 week vacation. So for me, I'm already like worth it.
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Marion: When I looked.
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Cacha Dora: 2 weeks.
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Marion: When I lived in Dubai I used to do I'd come to the States. I come to La to see my friends. Now we do 20 h.
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Marion: 16 h, flight, 20 h journey total. And
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Marion: it's a very weird sensation, because I would work all day because the the flights to the us always leave in the middle of the night from the Middle East, right? So I would work all day, and I'm not a napper, so I'd come home. Try and Nap would fail miserably. Get up, go to the airport around midnight, you know. Have a glass of champagne in the lounge, get on a flight, and then I'm on a flight for 1617 h.
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Marion: And the the funny thing about flying from the Middle East to Los Angeles is that you fly over the North Pole. So at some point when you you stay, cause when you know it's going to happen, you've got the compass up on the screen in front of you. And then all of a sudden, the compass starts spinning like, and you're like, Oh.
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Marion: well, like. And then you're realizing that you're still got like another like 10 h to go on this flight, and you're losing the boat.
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Danny Gluch: Yeah, so.
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Cacha Dora: Like, are you? Just at that point, looking for Santa.
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Marion: Yeah, pretty much.
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Danny Gluch: When my dad and I went to Vietnam. It was 2 weeks, and like, that's a really long flight from from La. And it was. It was amazing. Great trip was I rejuvenated at the end? Was I ready to go back? No, I was
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Danny Gluch: no, of course not, was exhausted. I know.
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Cacha Dora: The vacation from the vacation.
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Danny Gluch: You do? Yeah, you need a vacation from the vacation. It was a. It was a fakecation.
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Marion: But that's I think that's the same like for me. It's long haul to go home and see family and friends right? It's the same same idea when I go back to Scotland vacation. I'm not resting like everyone's like, Oh, I want to see you. I want to see you. So then you're the one like a mug that ends up running around. See? Visiting people. They're not coming to you. You're going to them. So by the time you finish your vacation home. You're like, I am freaking. I just want to get home and take a holiday. So now it's.
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Danny Gluch: No, that brought me to my next trip, which is the returning home trip to visit family.
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Marion: As as fakecation as it gets.
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Danny Gluch: Yeah. Absolutely. Fake.
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Marion: Then, if we're talking about rejuvenation, you know, if you're spending time with people that you love.
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Marion: that's meaningful. Right?
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Marion: Yeah, it fills a cup.
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Marion: Yeah.
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Cacha Dora: Feels the emotional cup. But maybe not the energetic cup, right? Like
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Cacha Dora: depends on like the cups we're looking to fill, because, like when Brendan and I go traveling. One of our things that we like to do is we're not the kind of people that are like
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Cacha Dora: loading up the agenda at like, okay, we've got an activity at 9, and then an activity at 11, and then one at like noon through. Like, I know people who travel, and it's like boom! Boom, boom! And to me that already sounds stressful that's like having back to back meetings at work. Nobody likes that, anyway.
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Cacha Dora: So like. And like the one or 2 things you want to do every day, and then just let the day free flow, and then for us, and how at least, we travel as a couple that automatically helps our energy level.
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Marion: But then, like, you know, there may be taking like a a 1 week or 10 days, and they're cramming in like 4 countries in that time. And I and all the time people will say to me, Oh, my God, we're going to Scotland. Where should we go? And I'm like, Well, how long are you there for? And they're like
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Cacha Dora: Well, what's the 1st of all? I would like to point out? Marian's American accent that was incredible. Oh, my God!
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Cacha Dora: Gonna live rent free in my head for a hot minute and trying really hard not to get derailed from that. But also, yeah, like, how can you enjoy it if you were cramming it in like
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Marion: Did you go to the United Kingdom? Yeah, you could do. You go to London, and you could go to Edinburgh, and it's Edinburgh and not Edinburgh road.
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Marion: It does the randomness of life. You know you meet people that you would never normally meet, maybe in a bar or coffee shop, or hotel lobby, or wherever right, and you might meet them once you might become lifelong friends. Who knows but like you are having? It's about human experience, and I think the older that I get, I realize
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Marion: What do you all think of.
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Danny Gluch: Taking time off for a music festival like a multi-day music festival. Coachella style.
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Marion: I lived in Palm Springs for 3 years and didn't go to Coachella once.
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Marion: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know me. I love live music, too. And I definitely did. Back in the day I did love my music festivals. But I think, as you get older, you value things like clean toilets, and not standing in line.
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Marion: you know, like you remember, I went to U 2 in in the sphere in Vegas. Now, God! I was so excited about that, and it was one of the most amazing experiences of my life, and it wasn't cheap, but it was totally worth it, so like. But I stayed in the Venetian, and I you know I was not slumming it, so I don't know. I think I think when I was younger I used to do the whole
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Cacha Dora: I don't think, I think going back to the original question, Danny. I don't think it's rest, but I do think it's an experience, but it is not a restful one.
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Marion: No, no, you need a few days off after that to cover.
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Cacha Dora: I like hiking. I do enjoy a hike, but I don't think that I want that to be the exact focus of every place I go like. That's where it stops being restful for me like I enjoy it. I love a good vista, and Brendan and I will always stop for a good picture spot.
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Cacha Dora: I don't know if I'd want a whole week of national parks. I'd like to make a national park part of a trip elsewhere and have that be the focal like, okay, on Thursday we're stopping at Zion, and we're gonna pay it like Thursday is all about Zion. And that's gonna be it. And then, you know, on the way back on Tuesday, all about the Grand Canyon. But like in between, we're gonna go to these other places that I think would be my idea as opposed of a good air quote. Good time.
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Marion: I agree with that? I do. You know, when I lived in Palm Springs I was really close to Joshua Tree, and I would go there periodically in the in the winter months, not the summer, or if I was going to Vegas, you know we would drive and take the Joshua tree route, either, on the way there on the way back, whatever, and loved it. But
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Marion: yeah, I I wouldn't do a full week of national parks, because I, that would be pretty exhausting for me the the one thing I will say not to bring down the vibe, but you know we have to support our national parks. Right now we have to support.
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Cacha Dora: Yes.
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Marion: Our federal workers. We have to support our park rangers, and and, you know, given so much love to the incredible work that they do so yeah, we should. Whatever we can do to help support that and support them. We should do that.
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Danny Gluch: Absolutely.
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Cacha Dora: I know we've always wanted to do. The 4 Corners is the 4 corners like a week long thing.
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Danny Gluch: Want to stand in a field. Go for it. You know those those lines where they meet don't you can't see the lines of the States.
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Cacha Dora: No, I mean where all the parks are, because each of those areas has their own really unique.
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Danny Gluch: My problem with the national parks. I love national parks. Living in the American Southwest is one of the greatest places in the world.
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Danny Gluch: But I have the problem of great. Now. I'm here. I have to go on my 20 mile hike
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Marion: You're like, yeah, yeah, like, I bought my, I bought my season ticket. I'm gonna damn well, make sure I make the most of it.
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Danny Gluch: Yeah, you know. And it's not like, you know. Oh, I have to do this. Do this. And I'm not like over pacing myself. But it's like, Wow! That hike looks amazing, and before I know it I've walked a lot farther than I intended.
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Cacha Dora: well. And I think that is the beautiful part of our national parks, is they are absolutely stunning and your your feet and your eyes just will carry you forward, because there's so much more to see. There's something else to see. There's more trees, more birds, more
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Marion: It doesn't even have. Yeah. But it doesn't even have to be a national park like so in a couple of weeks. So that so?
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Danny Gluch: That sounds rejuvenating.
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Marion: and it's just weekend. And it's like it's, like 40 min, not even half an hour from where we live, but like it's just that notion of going from here to there and then, just having that experience where you can sit out in the morning, have your coffee, have a beer later like, look at the lake, you know. Magic that's peaceful.
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Danny Gluch: The sort of national park doing a lot of hiking is like a moderate recharge. But the glamping that's peak rejuvenation. That's.
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Cacha Dora: Do you think, Danny, especially because I know that you've spent a lot of time going and exploring the national parks for the last few years. Would you consider what Marian just described as a staycation, if it's so close like half an hour away? Is that still a staycation.
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Danny Gluch: I think that's still getting away to be honest like. If if I were to go to Idlewild, which is also like 40 min from here that's getting away. Staycation for me is like going to Disneyland.
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Danny Gluch: or or like going to Huntington Beach right like it's it's in my neighborhood.
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Marion: Well, even for me, when I lived in Palm Springs, like Edelwild, was just straight up the mountain. I still treated that as a as a trip away, because I had to drive 9,000 feet
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Marion: what's the weirdest part of it all? Yeah, yeah, like, it's weird that you can be. I have literally done this where on one day I've been down at the pool in a bikini right literally next day up the mountain, and it's snowing.
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Danny Gluch: When I was growing up we used to go snowboarding in the morning, or I would ski, because I can't not coordinated enough to snowboard, but we'd go skiing in the morning, would fill the truck bed with snow, and in the afternoon would meet our friends at the beach and throw snowballs at them.
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Danny Gluch: The 1st thing I thought about that this is this is the 1st thing I thought about is, I put my beard in there
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Danny Gluch: 15 years old.
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Marion: And your point is caller and
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Marion: well on the on the theme of alcohol. Because I'm gonna I did mention I'm going on vacation next week and go to Mexico, and I've already said that
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Marion: not that I'm intending to be drunk. It's not the point of that, but I just need. I need to completely switch off like like no work. Obviously no fearless Px stuff, no elephant in the org stuff, no Phd stuff like I am taking a week off that shit.
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Marion: And I did say my plan was, I'm just going to take utter trash to read. That's not journals, that's not, you know, textbooks. And I was going to buy some. Really, you know, saucy chiclet.
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Marion: which then I reminded myself that I wanted to read on Tyranny by Timothy Snyder.
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Cacha Dora: For punishment. You are, ma'am. My God!
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Danny Gluch: So what are we gonna rank sitting by a pool, tipsy, reading on tyranny for a week.
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Cacha Dora: So we sub whatever book that might be for just tipsy reading by the pool and or beach.
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Cacha Dora: That way. If anyone anyone can insert book here.
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Marion: 5 days of all inclusive luxury. 5 star that is maximum maximum luck for me. But 5 days would be my limit. After that I'd be starting to get really twitchy, plus I want to get back and finish my Phd, so yeah, I'm just having a bit of time out.
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Danny Gluch: Yeah, I mean, I I definitely see how that could be rejuvenating. Not for me.
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Marion: Yeah. And let's take it back right to the why. Why did we decide to have this silly conversation the chaotic nonsense this week?
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Marion: to hold the line, and we have to keep each other going, and we have to be able to rise up and and do all the things that are really important, especially in our profession. Again, we hold space for everyone, and it's exhausting, and it's tiring. And not only we dealing with our internal environment, we're dealing with the external environment which is, let's face it.
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Marion: isn't doing. This is important. Finding the joy is important, celebrating the big things and the little things is important because we have to rally, and we have to be able to dig deep, and we have to be able to keep going, and I think that a good way to do that is what was it you said? You've got to fill up your own cup right you you can't. You can't give to others if your cups empty. So
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Cacha Dora: We've got a fun little update, really quick. So you said that it just like reminded me. We had a guest in our was it our last episode.
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Marion: She. When we recorded that episode she was heavily, heavily pregnant, and then, just a few days ago, gave birth to a beautiful baby girl. So yeah, we couldn't be more happy and thrilled for our friend Ashley.
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Danny Gluch: That's amazing congratulations!
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Marion: Yay!
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Cacha Dora: Woo.
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Danny Gluch: Let's see, some w's in the chat, as they say.
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Danny Gluch: All right, let's starting to wrap this up.
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Danny Gluch: What is your all favorite like? Short, maybe even midweek sort of like rejuvenation thing you can do. You can take time off of work, whatever it is. What's your favorite sort of thing that you like to do as a wow! That was so worth the time. I feel great.
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Marion: Spa.
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Danny Gluch: Spa. Oh! Like massage! Or are you like the Sauna.
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Marion: All of it like when I lived in Dubai when I lived in Dubai, because you've got all the gorgeous 5 Star hotels there, and and when I was feeling a little bit like burnt out, and whatever I would, you know, go on,
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Marion: Groupon, and get the deals and have a day.
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Marion: because it would. You would get like a Spa treatment like you'd get like a an hour massage, or whatever you could use the all of the internal stuff, like the jacuzzis and the Saunas, and all of that. But then you would have pool access for the day.
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Marion: so I would go and have a treatment and then hang it at the pool and read trashy magazines, and that would just be like a 1 day thing. But it was really lush.
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Danny Gluch: So amazing.
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Danny Gluch: That does sound great.
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Marion: That's good.
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Cacha Dora: That does sound good.
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Cacha Dora: A good for me.
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Cacha Dora: A good time in either, a just being out with Brendan like at some of our local parks, like an Irvine regional and walking with Maggie, our dog for those of you who don't know Miss Maggie.
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Cacha Dora: There's something about just being outside with the fresh air, and just talking all day with the person that you care the most about, and getting to see your dog. Just stupid, happy to be.
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Cacha Dora: Out as well. It just helps reset and kind of like brings me back to my. Why, thank you. Mr. Simon's neck. But the that, or a really relaxing day at the beach, where I mean for me personally, a lot of our beaches. The waters are way too cold, but because I'm a baby but
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Cacha Dora: a day at the beach doing the exact same thing, relaxing with Brendan and reading Marion to your point, having some music that's relaxing like I I feel like those are those little snippets where I feel like I actually did get away, even though I'm
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Cacha Dora: down the down the way.
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Marion: I think she's breathing in that salt air that someone that
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Marion: that that is, and you know you're going to have the best sleep of your life that night, because all that clean air is just so good for rest.
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Cacha Dora: Yeah, yeah, how about you, Danny?
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Danny Gluch: You know, one that that I'm looking forward to doing again the midday baseball game.
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Danny Gluch: So on
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Danny Gluch: the way the baseball works is, they play games like Monday, Tuesday at night, and then the travel day is normally on a Wednesday.
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Danny Gluch: and so they do middle of the day day game, and it's so fun just to play Hoogie from work. Go to a baseball game, have a hot dog. You don't even have to like love the team. It's just. It's such a fun freedom! You feel like Ferris Bueller day off like he went to the Cubs game in the middle of the day. Right? That's what you feel like it just it feels so great. And
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Danny Gluch: you just you know, you remember that life's worth living.
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Marion: Yeah, it is. And we we work to live and not live to work. And I think that's a really important reminder that we all need.
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Marion: Absolutely.
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Danny Gluch: Well, everyone, thank you all for listening. Be sure to leave comments of your favorite vacations way to rejuvenate way. You find joy in the comments of our Linkedin posts. Be sure to email us like subscribe. Leave a 5 star review. Thank you all very much. We'll see you next time.
