The Elephant in the Org
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The Elephant in the Org
Catfished by Ralph: What a LinkedIn Social Experiment Taught Us About Bias, Voice & Authenticity with Aubria Ralph (AI Special - Part 1)
What happens when ChatGPT decides you’re not a Black woman… but a 40-year-old white man named Ralph?
That’s exactly what happened to attorney and entrepreneur Aubria Ralph, who turned an AI glitch into a full-blown LinkedIn social experiment. She flipped her name, posted as “Ralph Aubria,” and watched the offers, DMs, and algorithm love roll in. The results? Both hilarious and deeply troubling.
In this episode, Marion and Danny unpack:
- Why AI assumed “thoughtful leader” = white male.
- How LinkedIn rewarded Ralph with more visibility than Aubria.
- What happens when bias gets coded, amplified, and normalized online.
- Why authenticity keeps getting buried under clickbait and copy-paste content.
This is Part 2 of our AI Trilogy — three back-to-back episodes exploring how AI is reshaping trust, work, and psychological safety.
🎧 Listen now to hear how a fake Ralph exposed real bias — and what it says about the future of voice and authenticity online.
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S3 Episode 2 Transcript
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Danny Gluch: Welcome back to the elephant of the org, everyone. I'm Danny Glutch, and I'm joined by my co-host, Marion Anderson.
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Marion: Hello!
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Danny Gluch: And today it's as much elephant in the org as it is elephant in Linkedin, because we have a guest who did a little social experiment. Aubria. Ralph Aubria. Introduce yourself.
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Aubria Ralph: Hi! My name is Aubrey Ralph. I'm the CEO and founder of Scrappy Go Project. I am a dabbler, but ultimately I am an attorney, business owner and recent AI enthusiast and ethicist.
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Danny Gluch: Oh, man! And one of the things that that people you know were trying to
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Danny Gluch: to progress our careers and make an impact in the business world help people who maybe are more junior in their careers and their professional life than we are. And so we go to Linkedin, and we post, and we try to encourage people, and part of that is is trying to build a following so that that the effort we're putting in is is mirrored and matched by a community that we're reaching. And
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Danny Gluch: the problem is that there are computers and algorithms and all sorts of things behind that that
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Danny Gluch: determine whether or not you're going to be impactful and tell us a little bit about this social experiment, what it was. What made you think of it like? What? What was that like you were, you know, at a diner at like upstate New York, and you had, you know, some some brilliant vision, and you wrote it on a napkin or something. What was the origin story of what made you want to do this and tell us what it is you actually ended up doing.
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Aubria Ralph: You know. I I wish I was that like dramatic and the way I was doing
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Aubria Ralph: I mean, that sounds really great. Maybe I'll have to come up with like a really awesome like, you know, I was writing on a napkin, you know, and then, you know. But but ultimately, you know
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Aubria Ralph: I I spend a lot of time kind of tweaking and and and playing around with with technology as a whole. And so, you know, one thing, I've been kind of
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Aubria Ralph: making myself do every day, almost every day. Now is spending a little bit of time on Chat Gpt. Just
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Aubria Ralph: you know how you just get random thoughts or like you're in a monologue, just keeps going and so
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Aubria Ralph: so for me, it's like, it's a good place for me to kind of dump a lot of the stuff I can't talk to actual humans about, because then, you know, they would think I'm like some kind of crazy person, probably but ultimately, one morning, a few months ago, like early April.
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Aubria Ralph: I was working on Chat Gpt, and I just got in my head to ask, you know, chat to say like, Hey.
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Aubria Ralph: what do you think like? What do you think I look like?
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Aubria Ralph: What did they.
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Danny Gluch: Say.
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Aubria Ralph: And it generated an image of this Mediterranean looking white man with glasses like middle aged, so like 38 to 40. And what was funny about it was it didn't ask any, follow up questions, and so like at first, st like I thought, Oh, this is funny.
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Aubria Ralph: and part of it is like chat. Gpt is always spitting out stuff that doesn't always jive right? And so, like I posted it on Linkedin. And then people were like, Oh, my God, this is crazy! And I was like.
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Aubria Ralph: I guess it is. And then I thought I was like, I wonder what's the rationale for this? Because I hadn't at this point.
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Aubria Ralph: even still, to this day, like I've never told Chatgpt my name. I've never like. I've been very anonymous in my overuse. Like, I'm sure, like the engineers know who I am, but like, but like the actual, you know, just because of my emails there, so you could probably find it, but you know but it doesn't. It didn't have any kind like it doesn't know I'm a black woman like it didn't know any of those things it didn't know my name was Aubrey or Ralph. It didn't know, you know.
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Aubria Ralph: kind of all these details which I found out later. A lot of people are very willing to just kind of dump
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Aubria Ralph: that information into Chat Gpt, and we could talk about that a little bit later. But but ultimately, you know, somebody, one of one of my friends, like actual friends on Linkedin, was kind of like, hey? You should ask it what you can ask it what the rationale is. And so I went back, and I was like, oh, what's your like? Why do you think I'm this like random white, dude
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Aubria Ralph: and and Linkedin and and Chatgpt was kind of like. Oh, well, you know, you're always like asking about like leadership. You know. You're really thoughtful in your approach. You know, like you, you have really brilliant ideas. And I actually, actually, you know.
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Aubria Ralph: essentially, I know.
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Danny Gluch: The amount of head shaking that just went on in the little video chat was just astronomical. I could not believe that's what it said.
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Aubria Ralph: And like. And I'm not like telling you verbatim. But like you can actually go on like I actually posted on Linkedin like the actual rationale, so people could see it. But ultimately it
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Aubria Ralph: it it really spat out what I think most people already believe right like, because we all talk about all the potential bias of AI technology like, I feel like that's something like even the people not using it. You know, the technology on a regular basis are talking about that right? But to kind of see it so plainly done, I thought, Oh, this is very interesting!
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Aubria Ralph: And the other thing that was very interesting was, I decided to name him. I decided to name my new character, Ralph Aubrea, and so I just flipped my name. This is the beauty of having 2 1st names.
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Aubria Ralph: you know.
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Aubria Ralph: But I'm I'm not from the States originally. So when I 1st moved from the Caribbean, I remember in 7th grade. My teacher, you know, in homeroom, the teacher going through the roster
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Aubria Ralph: and saying like getting to my name, and I knew she had gotten to my name
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Aubria Ralph: by the look of perplexity on her face.
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Aubria Ralph: And and then she goes, Ralph!
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Aubria Ralph: Ralph
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Aubria Ralph: and I thought that was so odd that she didn't even try to like. Say, my 1st name, which it's phonetically spelled like, give me a break. It's not that hard you just like. Read it from left to right, and it works
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Aubria Ralph: but
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Aubria Ralph: I like that. That's like a chip I've always had on my shoulder of how people are more willing to think that there's a random mistake
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Aubria Ralph: in the list of names.
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Aubria Ralph: Then, for my name to be like, it's like, Ralph can't be a last name. Almost kind of thing right? Yeah,
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Aubria Ralph: And which is ironic, because it's like, actually a popular last name, and like
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Aubria Ralph: England and the Caribbean. But that's another story. And so so I ended up, you know, doing that. And I was like, Oh, we're gonna call him Ralph. And I started playing with it and being very playful with the whole thing on Linkedin. And then I asked people to go ahead and ask Chat because I wanted to see if it was a glitch like. Is this something that just happened with me? Or is this something that's like
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Aubria Ralph: that? They're just doing right? With with the the technology like where it's just assuming, and what I noticed was, as more people
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Aubria Ralph: started asking Chatgpt to generate an image of them.
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Aubria Ralph: It started asking more questions.
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Aubria Ralph: and which was very interesting where it was like. Oh, I can't come up with an image of you unless you like, tell me. And I thought, Oh, that's very interesting. Does Chatgpt know that I'm like running my experiment over here, you know. Like, is it keeping a record almost? But I think it also plays into the idea that like, the more we use the technology, the more it learns, and the more you know, adjusts itself right? And so so you know, just like
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Aubria Ralph: something. I think we need to keep in mind, because if I wonder like if I never did something like that. And then I didn't have.
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Aubria Ralph: I think, something like 200 people
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Aubria Ralph: within a 3 h period that morning
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Aubria Ralph: did the same like literally put in the prompt. And so now I have. I actually have the
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Aubria Ralph: the the actual post where they would, I was like, Oh, share your image, please! And then I started coming up with a story of who those people were, and how they were connected to Ralph.
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Aubria Ralph: And so, like, we created this whole alternate. You know, reality where Ralph, you know, is part of this like dramatic like family where, like his dad like cheated on his mom with his mom's sister, it's like so messy. You know, there's like a real estate developer that wants to steal their vineyard in, you know.
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Aubria Ralph: in Italy like. And this was all just kind of improv
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Aubria Ralph: And then at 1 point, you know, somebody reached out to me via DM. And was kind of like, hey?
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Aubria Ralph: You know, I I really love what you're doing with this.
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Aubria Ralph: is it a, you know, and I was thinking about using bits and pieces of your posts to create content on my page.
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Aubria Ralph: And I thought, well, that's odd.
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Aubria Ralph: And so I asked, oh, well, why couldn't you just like come up? Why wouldn't you just like do your own research and come up with your own content. And this woman decided to like lambast me. And then she actually accused me of plagiarism, saying that I copied somebody else.
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Aubria Ralph: and so rewind a little bit.
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Aubria Ralph: And there's this this woman I her 1st name's Aaliyah, but she's this content Creator, who pretended, who actually like created a whole fake account
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Aubria Ralph: where she held herself out as a white woman
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Aubria Ralph: hadn't been able to get work
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Aubria Ralph: as a black, content creator, but now was being just offered roles like not even you need to apply for this director of blah blah like Oh, here, like we think you'd be good for this director of blah blah role. And she documented that stuff for like 8 months
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Aubria Ralph: I had heard about it.
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Aubria Ralph: But my Ralph experiment was not that deep like I'm not.
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Aubria Ralph: I literally asked Chatgbt to come with the image of me, because I wanted to see what it would say like I had no like. I didn't go into it thinking, Oh, I'm going to find like racism. And you know, like that, wasn't that wasn't my. I don't want to lie to people and say, that was my goal, because it wasn't like I was just having fun with the tech to see.
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Danny Gluch: Yeah.
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Aubria Ralph: To kind of see how ridiculous you know what image it would come up with. And just as a sidebar.
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Aubria Ralph: there's a running joke on Facebook
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Aubria Ralph: of, like my my family there, because, like, I'm only connected to family on Facebook, where every time I play a Facebook game and like, and we have like a record of 15 years of this
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Aubria Ralph: Facebook like, it's like, Oh, what are you gonna look like in a in 10 years?
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Marion: Oh, yeah.
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Aubria Ralph: You know, like those kinds of things.
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Aubria Ralph: It's always like a white woman or a white man.
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Aubria Ralph: and so like a little bit of me was expecting it to be a white person
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Aubria Ralph: just based on I'm like, Well, Facebook has already established to the world that I'm either a white woman or a white man like it's not. It's not certain of who I am. It's like she might be. We know she's white, we know they're white, but we don't know if they're a man or a woman right? And and maybe that shows that
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Aubria Ralph: I don't really fit into like whatever stereotypes you might have for a man or a woman. Maybe that's what that says, based on the kind of things I consume on the Internet. It's hard to PIN me down
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Aubria Ralph: but what I didn't expect was the rationale.
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Marion: Yeah.
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Aubria Ralph: You know, it's like, why, that was the question in my head, like, why did you think
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Aubria Ralph: that like? Because somebody's quote unquote. I hate this word. But I have to say, articulate. And you know, yeah.
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Aubria Ralph: and actually like being thoughtful about updates to your, you know, whatever you're generating as a technology. Or if I you know, it's like, Oh, like even
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Aubria Ralph: the idea that I had to be a white person in order a white man. Specifically, I should say, in order to have this like holistic view of life, too.
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Aubria Ralph: was to me very troubling. And so now I wanted to kind of play with whether or not people on Linkedin
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Aubria Ralph: had that kind of unconscious bias.
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Aubria Ralph: And so
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Aubria Ralph: it was right around like, just before Easter happened, I decided to make for one of my experiment part of my experiment to make Ralph my profile. Photo
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Aubria Ralph: for 3 days.
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Marion: And that's what right around the time that we.
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Aubria Ralph: Yeah.
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Marion: It was right around then. Yeah.
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Aubria Ralph: And so I flipped I and so I flipped again, flipped my name on Linkedin. And this this like just opened a whole new can of worms for me. But but what?
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Aubria Ralph: And and for me, it's like I'm
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Aubria Ralph: I ended up having a banner I had a banner with, like my actual photo and who I actually was there. It was very clear. And then in my headline I said, Hey, like, you know, I'm class, you know, something like, I'm cosplaying as Ralph for the next couple of days, because I just want to like check something out.
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Aubria Ralph: So I was very open about what I was yeah doing.
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Aubria Ralph: But what was really bizarre was I started getting in a similar way to that woman Aaliyah.
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Aubria Ralph: I've started getting people just slipping into my Dms, that like were of a you know, like, mostly like older white men, and somebody reach out for coaching services from Ralph Aubria
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Aubria Ralph: like, Okay, now, he's not a real person. And I was very clear about that.
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Aubria Ralph: But you know, and and so now I had to. So now it's like I have like a string of dms where I'm like, oh, I think there's some misunderstanding. This is what's happening like. If you go back and check my profile, you'll see like I've been upfront about this. And what was very interesting was people now no longer either wanting to collaborate or hire me. Once they knew
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Aubria Ralph: that it's like my profile is good when you thought I was, Ralph.
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Aubria Ralph: But I told you I wasn't Ralph
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Aubria Ralph: in my headline. And so it's like really bizarre. How like we that kind of mind game they played with themselves to make him be a real person.
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Aubria Ralph: And then it took Linkedin about almost 6 weeks to flip my name back.
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Danny Gluch: Really.
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Aubria Ralph: So yeah. And so I couldn't comment as myself.
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Aubria Ralph: People couldn't tag me so like even after I flipped it. And it looked like my name was back to normal. People couldn't tag me
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Aubria Ralph: in like in anything like if, like.
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Aubria Ralph: there are people who, like, I did podcasts with or whatever you know, or like any kind of announcements where they wanted to tag me, they couldn't and then, when I commented, it would always show up as Ralph Aubria.
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Aubria Ralph: it's so.
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Aubria Ralph: It was so messy. It was like very messy. And so that plays into what you were saying about the algorithm of how Ralph became prioritized
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Aubria Ralph: in the in this in the algo, because he was attached to this like white
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Aubria Ralph: face that I create. You know that Chat Gpt created you know. And so, like some, you know, we we all have suspicions about the algorithm on Linkedin. Right? And so did it confirm.
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Danny Gluch: Pandora's box.
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Danny Gluch: Really.
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Marion: Completely.
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Danny Gluch: One of the things that we talk about with the algorithm and and on that's on both sides, right? All all the the large language models. They're they're just an algorithm that that predicts languages. Right? It's not actual. AI, nothing.
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Aubria Ralph: No, it's not. No, it's not.
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Danny Gluch: Right. But it's this black box that we don't really know how it functions. So we're trying to do our best. And it was, it was pretty obvious and and very telling when you asked like, Can you give me your rationale that like
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Danny Gluch: on one hand, it's
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Danny Gluch: it's not really giving its rationale because it's not telling. You like this part of the algorithm triggered this. But what it's doing again is predicting, based on the language input.
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Aubria Ralph: Oh!
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Danny Gluch: What will sound good linguistically. And it said, Hey, well, I created this image, and it's so interesting that it it chose white
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Danny Gluch: man when you're none of those things.
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Aubria Ralph: No, it's it's really when I, you know, like I look back on that time. And I I
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Aubria Ralph: I think about the attention it got. But also, like, I think about
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Aubria Ralph: why we have to be so careful, even with our interactions with people online, too. Because then I like, although I went through the trouble of saying, Oh, this experiment's happening in my headline, and all of that. You know that, like
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Aubria Ralph: scammers are.
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Aubria Ralph: Putting, you know these like fake images up creating, you know, albeit very elementary. I'm like, if you're going to be a scam artist, I just feel like you need to be good, especially if you're gonna be on the Internet like that's just I don't know. I feel like, just go all in. Be good. You can't half ass it like, just don't do that.
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Aubria Ralph: But like you always find that where it's like, Oh, email me at, you know Bob, Bob James at
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Aubria Ralph: gmail.com, and it's like, Well, Bob, James, you say you're at, you know Lockheed Martin.
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Aubria Ralph: why don't you have a Lockheed Martin email. You know, if you're offering a job. And so like, there are a lot of like scam artists right now that are using this technology
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Aubria Ralph: for that purpose where it's like, oh, I can create this profile. Put it up there. You know, and like, if I you know, if I want to be nefarious like, are there people that are having fun, I'm sure, but, like, you know, there have been so many instances of like where you're like, wait like. Oh, no, you're a scam artist like.
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Danny Gluch: But I think the Internet I and I think the the algorithms like the icky, I swear.
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Danny Gluch: They like the really fake sounding fake. You know, it's it's 1 of the the thoughts, you know. And I was actually talking to someone who works for one of the big AI things in their development team. I used to work with them at a old startup in San Francisco like a dozen years ago, but he was saying that one of their their problems is that it's, you know, the the language models are reading stuff that people are generating with the language model.
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Danny Gluch: And but the language models don't know that. But they like it. And so these algorithms like Linkedin are pushing those they're like, Oh, yeah, people like this, I like this
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Danny Gluch: There. There are all of these little checkboxes that I think make it a lot harder, and it's it's honestly easier to be found if you
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Aubria Ralph: No, I completely agree with that. And you know it's what was really funny about being, you know, Ralph Aubria, for that brief time was, I actually went around commenting on hosts that I would normally comment on as Aubrey or Ralph.
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Aubria Ralph: And she shredded me.
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Aubria Ralph: She shredded me, you know, and then, like all the people, came in to like rescue her, and I thought.
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Danny Gluch: Part of the premise is that if Aubria would have commented that same thing, people would have been at least a little like.
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Danny Gluch: It's going to make them go. Oh, that's because you're a man, not because I, you know.
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Danny Gluch: Yeah, not not because, like, no, no, no, I actually like, just just think that there's another like wave of feminist thought.
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Danny Gluch: Considering here, it's more like, Oh, that's that's the the white man talking. Let's not do that. So yeah, there are some times where where I won't comment on things like that, because I don't want to get the heat. You took.
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Aubria Ralph: Yeah, no, it's not worth it.
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Marion: But he then here's this other barrier to being able to do that. And again, a lot of that is behind the anonymity.
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Aubria Ralph: interesting. And I was, I forget, like who I was talking to about this, whether it was like on a podcast or something. But there's just this
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Aubria Ralph: you know, because I never have those conversations with them, and they never know why. I think the way that I think and I found I can't tell you how many times I've
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Aubria Ralph: I kind of see what you're saying there or like. Oh, now I understand why you don't interact with that person who's toxic right? Because because, you know, it's like, oh, like you think this person is a good person. But
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Aubria Ralph: And so like to me like, if we never talk like this is why, like people think they can be explosive on the Internet, right, like I could do whatever I want on the Internet, and then they get upset when they they have to deal with the consequences of their behavior, whether it and we've seen it's not always right away.
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Danny Gluch: I think there's a there's, there's a skill that maybe it's atrophied since the Internet, or or it just completely has gone away.
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Danny Gluch: It's actually sort of that. That phenomenon was being reinforced in in a lot of universities. So we're being taught you know, in whether it's rhetoric or critical thinking classes. We're we're being taught
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Danny Gluch: So long story short, that's why I built my critical thinking program at the University to do. It was based on a book by Maureen Linker, called Intellectual Empathy, and the idea is well, let me really understand who this person is and where they're coming from and how they got to that position. And it's it's really fantastic. But I think the Internet
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Aubria Ralph: There's no room for that.
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Danny Gluch: Well, but there's no room for it. And how am I really supposed to understand where Ralph Aubria is coming up with these ideas? When Ralph Aubreyah is is a figment.
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Aubria Ralph: No, I think that's a fair point. And what you said, though, about like tearing down arguments. I mean.
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Aubria Ralph: and because my teacher knew that I was a born-again Christian at the time, I was like, you know, President of, like the Bible Club or something, and she gave me
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Aubria Ralph: And so like. I remember that I actually like still have the essay, you know, like the good old 5 paragraph essay. And I remember when I did it, I was
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Aubria Ralph: I was a new big sister. I had, like my like. My mom had my my younger sister like 15 years later, right? And so I was really annoyed at the time about how
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Aubria Ralph: older parent like older people shouldn't have kids after they, you know, like, after your kids are a certain age. And this is why. And this is how I like built my argument, and I remember my, it didn't go in the way that my teacher expected, but it was one of those things where I was like really shredding both ends of the thread, if you will like. Okay, on the one hand, like, I get like, yeah, it's like your choice.
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Aubria Ralph: I know why I'm sharing this now where I was just like such an angry teenager, because now my life was being like reshaped by this like new kid that like was just like taking over my life like. And whatever I was a selfish child like, I'm not gonna pretend I wasn't. But
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Aubria Ralph: You were driving at Danny about like, yes, like, I understand this argument as a feminist. But here are these other points that you're completely ignoring. Because you're only looking at feminism in this very like traditional, you know, lens.
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Danny Gluch: Well, most of it on the Internet is is what's called girl boss feminism, or what I used to call beyonce.
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Danny Gluch: I think part of that goes to. We're all just kind of angry teenagers posting on the Internet right where you were. You were so honest about like this didn't come from like a well thought out like rational position. This was me posting reactionary
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Danny Gluch: And yeah, right? Oh, man, that would honestly, that would that would get me, you know, like people shouldn't have dogs, because you know, my kid's dog ripped off the nose of my my favorite toy when I was a kid growing up last night right like. That's the kind of of thing we post on the Internet, because it's it's very reactionary.
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Marion: Yeah.
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Danny Gluch: Just kind of what the Internet is. They want us all to be Ralph Aubria, you know. Generic white person.
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Marion: I read a post on Linkedin, just I think this morning or last night. It's very recent exactly seeing this, like someone basically saying, Linkedin is fucked, you know, to this point like it's it doesn't want thought leadership. It doesn't want you know, diverse thought.
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Marion: It wants clickbait. It wants this stuff, and and it is burying these really important voices and really important messages. And and that then begs the question, well.
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Marion: if it's doing that, then maybe we should all, you know, move on with our lives to somewhere else. But then, where is that? And then does the same thing happen again? You know.
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Marion: I don't know. I think we are getting towards a tipping point. I think we are getting towards a place where.
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Marion: just as there's a real push for independent media. I think that there's a bigger push for independent thought. I think that there is a group of people who really want to know more to know more deeply and more widely. And and we do consume content through Linkedin and Tiktok and all of these things. But when the algorithm is filtering that out so much.
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Marion: There needs to be a new home. But where is that home?
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Aubria Ralph: You know, it kind of reminds me of.
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Aubria Ralph: Not that I was there, but like right after the scientific revolution, when all the romantic poets like popped up. And we're like, Oh, we have to go back to nature, you know. We have to go back to like the wonder of life, you know. So the Wordswortz and the Blakes.
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Aubria Ralph: and I think
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Aubria Ralph: cog in the wheel lifestyle. Right? And so I think ultimately, it's gonna go down to like individual choice. Right? But I want to go back to like the scraping
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Aubria Ralph: I don't know. From time to time I get these like I call it like just
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Danny Gluch: After I'm like, Oh, you you were spot on there like you were not paranoid. You were discerning.
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Aubria Ralph: You know, but like, if you have to wait 10 years for people to know like oh, no, like she was right 10 years ago like you get, you have to. You get to be crazy for 9 years, right? And so and so that's something I've been really thinking about, especially since I post a lot on Linkedin.
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Aubria Ralph: and it's the only place I've posted I have, so I have.
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Aubria Ralph: I think. Well, if I count my company profile. I have 6 newsletters on on Linkedin
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Aubria Ralph: You know by by the platform. But then, like you think about all the people I like, I think of that woman who wanted to use
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Aubria Ralph: my very current post that I was like, I like literally said, I'm gonna be posting about this for like the next X amount of weeks.
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Aubria Ralph: and she wanted to just come and take that right. And so recently and this again terrible.
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Aubria Ralph: I've been thinking, I'm like, you know, what. Maybe I need to stop posting
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Aubria Ralph: I won't be mad because it's not mine, anyway.
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Aubria Ralph: you know. And that has been my kind of like. And so like that's the other end of the spectrum is like, you know, the people like, oh, I'm going to continue to do this because you have people that are like that like, oh, you know what I don't care what the world's doing. I'm going to keep
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Aubria Ralph: producing and giving this thing. And so like, there's this other flip side. And like, I have to say, I'm always in like this extreme outlier
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Aubria Ralph: So he's gonna steal it, anyway.
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Aubria Ralph: Why am I giving you my stuff and and and what's crazy is like, even like the recent cases
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Aubria Ralph: crazy fair use cases just the last couple of days that we've gotten some rulings on where judges that I'm like, Hey, judge, do you actually know copyright law.
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Aubria Ralph: you know. So like, do you actually know it, or or like, have you just taken this as an opportunity to like? Pretend, you know, copyright law, because, like
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Aubria Ralph: even like their their mixed opinions about it, it doesn't make sense where it's like, Oh, you've won on this fair use point. But like
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Aubria Ralph: you're stealing, and it's like, Well.
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Aubria Ralph: how did they win on these various points of oh, you can use. You can use this. You can use this novel.
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Aubria Ralph: To train your to be concrete like you can use this novel to train your Llm. But if we find out that you didn't buy the book, I guess. Let's call it that you didn't buy the book. Now it's infringement, and it's like.
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Danny Gluch: Yeah, yeah, it's it's an interesting line, and
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Danny Gluch: I don't know. Part of me wonders if there is value in sort of the authentic posting name
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Danny Gluch: you know. Is it even worth posting at all? Because the the algorithm that would boost it and display it to people is like, this is not what I expected, so it's not picking it up. But then the the scrapers are also like, that's not what I would have written. So that's not good, either. So like they're not prioritizing it. It's not being displayed. And
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Aubria Ralph: I wouldn't.
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Danny Gluch: Do you have to just spend a lot of money to like
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Danny Gluch: force the algorithm to put it out by like actually marketing it and putting it out, and being one of those promoted profiles like that, honestly seems the only way to push through something that isn't just Milquetoast.
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Danny Gluch: you know, boring AI generated slop
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Danny Gluch: or rage based or rage, yeah, we're right.
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Aubria Ralph: Like.
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Marion: Yeah.
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Aubria Ralph: It's like, either. I'm like getting this like generic. Oh.
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Aubria Ralph: I didn't, you know, I really dropped a $50,000 bag this week.
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Aubria Ralph: because, like I had the product. But I didn't sell it to my clients. And it's like, Well, did you actually drop a 50 like? Did you drop the money because it sounds like you didn't have what you needed to actually make that money like if people wanted the product right. But like even just like some of the nonsensical things that people write where I'm like.
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Danny Gluch: But it they're gonna get 10,000 likes. It's gonna be.
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Aubria Ralph: Exactly like these are the you know, or like, I just saw like this, really popular. I'm not gonna give him. I'm not gonna say his name because I'm like, you don't need me to give you a plug anywhere.
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Aubria Ralph: But he like I just watched a video of his where he was like. Oh, you know a lot of 20 something year olds are millionaires now. And what did he say? Like millions of 20? Not a lot millions of 20 year olds are millionaires from posting on Tiktok. And I was like, really
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Aubria Ralph: you just you just saying stuff
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Aubria Ralph: like, you know. But that's the other thing is like, people are living
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Aubria Ralph: like that's, you know, speaking of, like inauthenticity, it's like there are people just on the Internet just talking where you're like, wait.
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Marion: I know.
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Marion: I know, and then the way that that we consume it, we buy into it like, even when you're.
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Aubria Ralph: It's so.
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Marion: Maybe.
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Aubria Ralph: B.
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Marion: Yeah, yeah, you're a little bit older, and you think you're wiser. But for some reason, if someone's talking to you through the medium of screen, you lap it up. It's so weird. And like I was just when you were talking about, we're talking about the algorithm and likes and stuff I was in Danny that kind of whole thing of unique thought right? And and I think about the the thought leadership that
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Marion: that you know I try to think. You know, I try to create and post about, you know about my research, or about what we do here or about. You know our work with ability stuff like that.
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Marion: And I, you know, like a lot of thought and care and attention goes into that stuff.
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Marion: And you know, so you get some you get. You get likes, you get comments. You get pot, but not tons right.
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Marion: But then I post a picture of my dog
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Marion: all the likes all day long, like I mean she's very cute to be fair, so she does does deserve it. But like it just it just makes me realize
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Marion: that.
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Marion: Why are we? Why am I doing this? Why am I
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Marion: use it. You know I'm could. Yeah. Could that could this time be you better use somewhere else.
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Marion: Think that there's a little bit
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Marion: in me that's like it. That persists one, because I don't necessarily know a better medium to do it.
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Marion: and 2 like
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Marion: there's maybe a little bit of me. That's the eternal optimist that's like, if this reaches one person and it helps them, then that's worth it. But.
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Danny Gluch: Know, like, maybe I'm starting to become even more cynical in my old age.
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Marion: I don't know. I want so much to.
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Danny Gluch: We call it, just like.
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Marion: Yeah, there's so much wisdom, there's so much like we want to share. We want to help shape and influence.
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Marion: But then.
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Marion: is this the way forward? Is this the right medium? You know, because the way it's being distributed and consumed, it's not necessarily having the impact that we really want it to.
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Danny Gluch: Yeah.
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Danny Gluch: Yeah. And it's it's all because the the algorithms are making these assumptions about us and about what people want and about, you know what is right and like, it'll
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Danny Gluch: you know, it's been known to just make up facts and that's what's expected and it
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Danny Gluch: I think you know what you were talking about earlier. I really do think that you know, there's these.
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Danny Gluch: you know, equal opposite forces to these revolutions and these changes in the workforce. And these changes to technology that happen. And you know, back in the day it was like, Hey, go back back to the wilderness like, that's fine. We don't need this, we can go back and be the sort of like self-sufficient farm worker like that that's not actually going to happen.
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Aubria Ralph: Trying to like be factory like, like, you know, like the push to like, have factories here like, ain't nobody in America trying to work in a factory.
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Danny Gluch: Yeah, I thought we were great because we didn't have to do that work.
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Danny Gluch: And and I do think that there is space, even if it's not now, I mean.
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Danny Gluch: it's in 5 or 10 years where you know, just like how it's hard to find the right person. If you're using the AI recruiting tools and the people are are trying to get hired, and they're great. But they're like passing each other in the night and not even getting interviews.
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Danny Gluch: There is value in going out and doing old school recruiting and and finding people, and going to your network and saying, Do you know anyone who can do this like who's who's really standing out in the field right now, who's doing great work? Let me go see if that person wants an interview like there is value in that, and I think there's little opportunities to to do well and and to exceed, because or succeed, because you're not doing what everyone else is doing.
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Danny Gluch: But then, when you're on the Internet, it just wants Ralph Aubrey up, because that's a welcoming face that that people are are gonna like. And it's gonna say, some Milquetoast thing like.
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Danny Gluch: Good luck on Friday. Everyone, thousands of likes right?
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Danny Gluch: And and I do think that there's a space, and I don't know what the the medium is going to be, Marion, like you said. But I think people do still want
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Danny Gluch: authentic, curious conversations that are gonna come up with new ideas, or or give explanations to things they haven't understood before, and.
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Marion: No.
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Danny Gluch: I don't know if we just need to like, go into parks wearing white robes and and talking like the philosophers used to do, but like we we should, we should figure something out because people people need it. People need it.
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Aubria Ralph: Marion was not into the white room.
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Danny Gluch: Oh, no, she wasn't.
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Marion: No, I just I well, I mean remember where the.
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Aubria Ralph: Him out!
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Marion: I'm like, remember where in the where, in the country I live. So I immediately thought.
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Danny Gluch: That's true. White robe.
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Marion: I was like.
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Danny Gluch: Yeah, you know, you might even in America beats something else. I was thinking, the old school, Tokyo.
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Aubria Ralph: I was thinking, pilgrims.
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Marion: No.
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Aubria Ralph: Was not thinking, pilgrims. No, we don't.
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Aubria Ralph: I know what she was thinking, though she was like. Wait, what's happening?
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Aubria Ralph: What the.
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Danny Gluch: No Aristotle, Plato!
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Danny Gluch: Order togas! Yes, those robes! Goodness gracious.
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Marion: Oh, guys! Oh, God!
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Marion: No one needs to see Danny in a toga.
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Danny Gluch: That's.
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Marion: Actually accurate, that is.
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Danny Gluch: That's the factual.
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Danny Gluch: Think anyone has said all this.
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Aubria Ralph: No, i i i will say like
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Aubria Ralph: I for me, like I actually believe in just like putting stuff out there.
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Marion: And letting people find it.
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Aubria Ralph: And that's kind of how I've done social media. Because the idea of me kind of like sitting around waiting for people to like like my stuff.
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Aubria Ralph: It's just daunting to me.
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Marion: Yeah.
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Aubria Ralph: And so, you know, if something blows up, I'm like yay and like if people are like Oh, you know, if the algo decides oh, this is not important enough.
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Aubria Ralph: I'm like cool. Somebody will be stalking my page one day and find this post and be like this changed my life right?
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Marion: Hmm.
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Aubria Ralph: But I will say part of the reason I said what I said about
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Aubria Ralph: just generating AI content from here on out is
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Aubria Ralph: because of how unbridled the access has been to people's data.
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Danny Gluch: Yeah.
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Aubria Ralph: You know, under the guise. It's like, even when you, when you purchase
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Aubria Ralph: these tools right, that are supposed to help you.
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Aubria Ralph: You know, and God, I forgot her name. But but you know
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Aubria Ralph: a woman was talking about this at some conference yesterday, just like such bad citation. But whatever it wasn't me that said it, but it was. It's something I have been thinking about in my own research is
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Aubria Ralph: yes, I want to use copilot, and I want to use Chat Gpt, and I want to use all of these different tools that are available, all these AI agents that are available to me.
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Aubria Ralph: But as I'm using them, they now have access to all of this data, right? And so it's like, and it's not just
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Aubria Ralph: my idea, like like there has been such an overemphasis on IP.
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Aubria Ralph: But that is, in my opinion, the least of our worry.
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Aubria Ralph: because what I'm thinking of is the privacy aspect like now, like we're using tools to manage our calendars.
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Aubria Ralph: book our flights.
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Aubria Ralph: How are you doing that? If you don't have access to my credit card information and my home address, and and you know, and and if I'm buying multiple tickets like now, you have access to all of these other people's data, and so like it just creates
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Aubria Ralph: this. It's like when I when I, you know, click, yes, I agree for terms and conditions like.
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Aubria Ralph: Am I really agreeing to that?
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Aubria Ralph: You know, like.
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Marion: We're not.
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Danny Gluch: You know, like we're not.
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Aubria Ralph: Like, am I really agreeing to that.
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Danny Gluch: So.
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Aubria Ralph: You know.
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Danny Gluch: It's a coercion we we all know.
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Aubria Ralph: And so it's like we're, it's pitched to us as convenience. Right? So, going back to this idea of you know me as this kid, or like all like all of us, on the Internet kind of posting
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Aubria Ralph: in a way where it's like, well, this thing is inconveniencing me. And now I'm going to write this rage bait type, you know. Post, and the algo is going to reward me because of it right?
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Aubria Ralph: but then, at the same time
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Aubria Ralph: we're we're kind of like stuck. I feel like, that's the problem. It's like, on the one hand, like.
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Aubria Ralph: I want all of these conveniences. But with convenience.
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Aubria Ralph: I'm also kind of rescinding my power, I'm saying, hey, you know what
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Aubria Ralph: like. You can have access to everything there is to know about me
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Aubria Ralph: and use that to manipulate advertising that I get, you know and and like, you know, create and and not just get all like who who he about it. But like.
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Aubria Ralph: To me. It's like, Am I? Am I really having independent thoughts?
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Aubria Ralph: If you're force feeding me content, based on my activity, on your technology.
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Danny Gluch: Yeah, well, I think.
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Marion: Oh, my! Gosh!
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Danny Gluch: Yeah, I think one of the lessons is that conversations like this actually sitting down and getting to know people is the thing that we can do. And I think if there's 1 thing I want to sort of like, have our listeners take away from this. It's there's a lot of assumptions that can be made based on what people are posting, and we're probably no better at it
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Danny Gluch: than AI was at trying to figure out what you looked like. And so let's let's sit down and let's actually have conversations. Let's let's sit at a coffee shop and and talk and get to know someone and be curious about.
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Danny Gluch: They're coming from. Not just get angry because Ralph Aubrey said something that would have been fine for Aubrey, Ralph to say.
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Danny Gluch: And let's let's get to know each other. And and I think that's a really hard thing to do, and we might not have time for it. But maybe if we're swiping less on social media and scrolling less. We do have more time to actually get to know each other.
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Marion: And.
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Danny Gluch: But thank you so much for being with us for doing this fun experiment and being playful with the technology. I really appreciate your insights, and just you know your mind, and where it goes, and what you want to try and do, and your perspective of things. Thank you all for listening. Marion, did you have any last words? I feel like.
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Marion: No, but.
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Danny Gluch: Be! Now.
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Marion: No, but I was just. I was curious. I was like, I've got some friends that Ralph might be interested in so like.
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Marion: Oh, my goodness, if he's free on Saturday night, let me know. We'll get him hooked up.
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Danny Gluch: Ralph's always he's free
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Danny Gluch: listeners. If you have an AI generated personality that you think Ralph would be a good partner for. I'm sure there's a dating app for AI bots at this point.
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Danny Gluch: just for them to meet. That's gotta be a thing. If not you can.
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Aubria Ralph: Coming soon.
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Danny Gluch: Yeah, you can fund our idea at elephant@thefearlesspx.com. That is, that is our idea. Now. No one's gonna scrape that or or use that idea for nefarious reasons
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Danny Gluch: in front of an attorney, we did it in front of an attorney. So yeah, yeah, it's legit
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Danny Gluch: her, or anything, or contract, but that's it.
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Marion: Give it a dollar, give it a dollar.
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Danny Gluch: Thank you all so much for listening. Thank you, Aubria, for for joining us everyone. You can find her information. And Linkedin content Linkedin links in the show notes. Please give a like subscribe comment on this episode. We'll see you next time.
